Curse

heroajax1 · Nov 15, 2006, 06:12 PM // 18:12

Elementalists do not need a nerf bat. They desperately needed a buff. They have for quite some time. I'd just like to see the buff from somewhere other than fire. A-net has some pyro working on the skill development team. Ele's are supposed to be the highest damage dealers in the game. Obviously for anyone who's played for 2+ weeks know that's not the case. Unless of course you're facing a PvE boss. I feel the new combo of SF, glowing gaze, whatever the rest of it is, is very powerful. The big difference here is that unlike real people, the heroes ... do what they are told to do. They follow target calls and stay on target. Ele's are finally getting back to a point where they need to be shut down. That's good. Still need some more buff, but definitely going in the right direction. Paragons can be easily taken down with two skills from necro. Well of Silence and Vocal Minority = useless Paragon = gg.

The Herbalizer · Nov 15, 2006, 06:23 PM // 18:23

anyone who cries about rank and fame is lazy. i started out with no fame and ended up playing with people i know who in some cases were well over r9 while i was only like r3. if you put a little work in and build up a friends list of pvpers who dont rage quit all the time then getting fame is easy.

Pudin Tame · Nov 15, 2006, 06:23 PM // 18:23

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Originally Posted by hyro yamaguchi

I don't think they ignored or messed up PvE at the release of factions did they? So why do so with PvP at the release of nightfall?

Well, you obviously don't play PvE, so don't even mention it. PvE was totally screwed the day before the release of Nightfall. HA does not encompass all of PvP. Maybe you should retitle your post.

lyra_song · Nov 15, 2006, 06:27 PM // 18:27

http://guildwarsguru.com/forum/showt...php?t=10072462

Go sign the petition thread. Stop making threads like this.

Accusation and inflammatory remarks will get you nowhere.

Gaile will NEVER respond to anyone's PMs.

Phoenix Ex · Nov 15, 2006, 06:32 PM // 18:32

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Originally Posted by The Herbalizer

anyone who cries about rank and fame is lazy. i started out with no fame and ended up playing with people i know who in some cases were well over r9 while i was only like r3. if you put a little work in and build up a friends list of pvpers who dont rage quit all the time then getting fame is easy.

That is more true a year ago when people are all rushing into prophecies. Now most of the good people are pretty much secluded in their little group never to be seen, or is flashing their animal along with the fame farmers. Now that the population increase is declining (as all mmorpg does) the later a person starts in HA, the harder it is for he/her to find decent players to play with.

Current I am at rank 6, but I am not blind...I can see that its getting more difficult every month that goes by.

P.S. A GOOD party formation system would help to alleviate this problem a bit.

Y O U Lo Se · Nov 15, 2006, 06:40 PM // 18:40

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Originally Posted by Clone

Rank eliteism doesn't exist? Wow, must be nice to be able to delude yourself like that. Personally, I think the rank system was one of the worst ideas they could have implimented, making many new players far too frustrated by others before they even begin.

Everyone is able to get his rank 9, therefore it is not elitist.

Rank makes it easier to find a decent group, since there IS a bigger chance that higher ranks know more about PvP then lower ranks do. Not saying they're better, they probably have learned more then lower ranked.

Not saying higher ranks are better then lower ranks, my guild took unranked players as well and let them win HoH while getting their r1, but we knew that they where good players before we took them.

but rank DOES say something about your experience, which is pretty much the key in HA. Sure some players learn faster then others, seen n00b r9's as well, that doesnt make the rank system unfair.

allience · Nov 15, 2006, 06:42 PM // 18:42

ok some ppl here are talking nonsense and some are just IMAGINATING things.
i'll point out some facts, hoping to shed a light of truth in this mess.

1. The topic of this thread is NOT rank elitism which is still present. The problem is the general state of HA which is bad because of Heroes and 6 man party.

2. NOBODY is complaining about the new options to create a pvp char. everything is good about templates and such.

3. Fame points recieved for each match have NOT been increased. (the person saying that is most likely a pve player)

4. Balthazar Faction points for kills and wins have been increased.

those basic things being made clear, i don't understand what's Anet's motivation to make HA 6v6.

rank elitism is just as present today as it was 3 months ago. nothing could change that mainly because rank and reputation of a person DOES make a difference. everytime i got a pug into my party, he did bad. so even if it's 8 ppl or 6 ppl party rank elitism will always be there.

half the teams are hench/heroway which makes pvp, Player vs Ai which makes the game very boring.

The whole point to HA is the fame gain which is best gained by holding the hall of heroes. the party being shrinked to 6, ppl had to come up with new ideas to make a defensive build. we all know hoh is dominated by paragon teams (4 defensive chars) or monk spike. the problem is that these days i've found myself settling who wins with /roll 100. when ppl are COMMONLY having to decide who wins by /roll , there's definatelly something wrong with the status of PvP.

ppl are running 4 char defensive builds not because we're lame, but because it's the only option anet left us with. since the party has been shrinked to 6 and the song of concentration came into play, the only option to hold halls is to keep that ghost up for 4 minutes and ppl will do whatever it takes to do that.

before this idiotic change to the 8 man party, ppl had more CHOICE to make an effective build. it's all over now. i seriously enjoyed more to see iway than these fully defensive builds that make a HA match longer than a GVG. personally i can't wait to get my r12 and be done for good with HA.

I'm pretty sure Anet doesn't give a damn about these pvp problems because the majority of ppl playing this game are pve and farm bots for ebay.

Alleji · Nov 15, 2006, 06:50 PM // 18:50

Grats hiro, you made another useless thread to complain about Searing Flames and rank elitism.

I guess when this one gets locked, I'll try to make a proper one with big red writing saying "THIS THREAD IS ABOUT 6V6 AND HEROES IN HA, NOT ABOUT SEARING FLAMES"

:/

dargon · Nov 15, 2006, 06:55 PM // 18:55

I'm not a hardcore HA pvper, I much prefer GvG, but that's not to say I don't do HA on occasion. Not everyone is rank elitest, but saying it doesn't exist is BS, I should know, I'm only rank 2. I have plenty of pvp experience, but that doesn't mean I have a nice easy time finding a group in HA if I want to go there.

As far as heroes in HA go, maybe things should be tweaked such that any group entering can only have a TOTAL of 4 computer controlled members, be they heroes or henchmen. This would keep you limited to still having atleast 4 real people on a team, heroes are still just henchmen that you have a little bit of control over.

Randomway Ftw · Nov 15, 2006, 07:03 PM // 19:03

What if you had only had 7/8 players on and wanted to GvG?
ANET I want R9 Champion nerf GvG, make it 6V6 so I can GvG easier.

WTF the top 10 wont let me into there championship teams, ELITISM! WTF Zhed run the flag zomg anet why can't I get champion points make its so rating 500 and above counts for champ title, oh and make the maps smaller I don't like how long it takes, RA size should be fine, no environments, or NPCs either I want to fight teams head to head like a real man. WTF morale boost this takes too long no flagstand. Give me bonuses when my rating is lower then the other guilds, come on ANET.

ANET GVG is stale the same builds are run over and over again i'm tired of Warriors they do too much damage eles should be made better.

TY Anet for searing flames I can now win battles by mashing buttons while Heros do the work, this is even easier then C + Spacebar.

Searing flames is imbalanced, no way eles are supposed to be the #1 damage dealers in the game, if anything rodgorts invocation should have a 1/4 cast time cost 5 energy, do 500 damage, and instantly recharge.

/Sarcasm Off

Oceans Fury · Nov 15, 2006, 07:08 PM // 19:08

The rank system is the greatest invention Anet has come up with, it allows more skillfull players to inerpet which rank of players they would like to play with. So we dont have to waste time digging through our friends list and looking for random people and asking \"you good?, whats your skillbar, can you do this, that etc\"

Phoenix Ex · Nov 15, 2006, 07:12 PM // 19:12

Elitism at its finest....but thankfully we have heroes, so no problem I guess.

lyra_song · Nov 15, 2006, 07:19 PM // 19:19

http://guildwarsguru.com/forum/showt...php?t=10072462

~_~

crimsonfilms · Nov 15, 2006, 07:27 PM // 19:27

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Originally Posted by hyro yamaguchi

I would love to know. In both this forum as the Gwonline.net forum pvp players are angry at Anet for all the recent changes in HA. But instead of listening, responding to us, Gaile ignores us, and simply states that the majority of people is happy with HA atm.

Yeah big deal if you only check the PvE forums right? Since when have PvE players become the PvP community?

And because you don't read the PvP forum, and because you don't respond to my PM asking you politely to check the pvp forum, I am posting this here, in the hope that you will actually read it.

Or is fixing the way black and grey dye looks more important to you than fixing the HA mess?

GWO has PvP players?? And Boston has Yankees fan.

Muwahahahha.

NF is the best thing to happen to PvP since Prophecies!

And HA does not equal PvP. It is one of the components of GW PvP - and kind of low level in most hardcore PvP players opinion.

Every PvP player I know loves the NF changes.
6v6 HA is the best thing to happen to HA.

allience · Nov 15, 2006, 07:36 PM // 19:36

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Originally Posted by Oceans Fury

The rank system is the greatest invention Anet has come up with, it allows more skillfull players to inerpet which rank of players they would like to play with. So we dont have to waste time digging through our friends list and looking for random people and asking \"you good?, whats your skillbar, can you do this, that etc\"

i totally agree with you. it's hard enough to make a good team. if there was no difference between ppl, it would be a nightmare. we already have to sort through ranked ppl who are just as bad as unranked. imagine if there was no rank, most of us would of raged out of frustration of finding too many bad players.

and about those gvg players that have trouble finding a team in HA, that's bullshit. everybody knows the top guilds and i'll guarantee u that if u're from a top guild, nobody will ask u to show your rank in HA. and if you're not from a known gvg guild then it means u're not so good at pvp anyway so why would high rank ppl get u in their team?

Kyosuke · Nov 15, 2006, 07:37 PM // 19:37

PvE people claim they got screwed when Factions came out
PvP people now claim they get screwed since Nightfall is out..

Can we please get a good balance or something next time where we don't have to hear anyone bitching. These pety children need to grow up and enjoy the game for what it is. Seriously, the biggest bunch of whiners I have ever seen. Worse than a pregnant woman craving Taco Bell at 3am...

hyro yamaguchi · Nov 15, 2006, 07:40 PM // 19:40

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Originally Posted by EternalTempest

hyro, you are calling for changes, and Gaile to read it but at the same type, change what?

Give some examples of things that need to be changed or reverted back?
Is it only HoH or other PvP, (Alliance Battles, Hero Battles, RA, TA, etc).

This is not a flame, the way you stated issue with pvp and not citing specific examples may cause people to feel your trying to stir the pot up without that being your intention.

well I'm focused at HA, but I recall Alliance battles needing a fix as well, oh and heroway is in no way rewarding, or inventive: it's going to be dead soon, Anet should do something to make it attractive. And solutions for HA have been posted in the HA forums, and many (including one of my own) in sardeliac.

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Originally Posted by XvArchonvX

Gaile Gray does not decide on how PvP will be done. She cannot wave some magic wand and make everything be exactly how you want it to be. Her job is to be convey the voice of the community. While there have been some people that have complained about the HA changes, there are plenty out there that like the changes.

Also, your topic was about how A-net stopped caring about PvP, but your real beef seems to be that you don't like the HA change and are upset that they haven't changed it back. In case you didn't notice, A-net completely fixed PvP characters to now be equals to any PvE char in a PvP situation. PvP chars can now be changed and customized without being deleted and remade. Even the reduced hex helm is available for PvP characters now. Did you not notice that PvPers are now rewarded with extra faction storage for gaining special achievements now also? Yea, you got it, A-net is completely ignoring PvP.

I was in fact talking about Anet not giving any comments about the HA, mess, in fact no comments as well on the Alliance battle complaining, and yes they have done things for PvP, but: Templates were related directly to pvE, I mean, it's not like it's a pvp special, they just modified it to fit on PvP, and: woohoo, some extra fame, not like anyone needed that though.

They only do minor stuff they think is needed, but they don't listen to the PvP community to decide what changes are in demand, and that is what I'm talking about.

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Originally Posted by Pudin Tame

Well, you obviously don't play PvE, so don't even mention it. PvE was totally screwed the day before the release of Nightfall. HA does not encompass all of PvP. Maybe you should retitle your post.

I already did due. Anyway, yes PvE wasn't al that great on the release of Factions, but this is a fundamental change, it's not like you can go back to prophecies and play a good HA match, but please do give me an example of how wrecked PvE was when Factions came out.

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Originally Posted by lyra_song

http://guildwarsguru.com/forum/showt...php?t=10072462

Go sign the petition thread. Stop making threads like this.

Accusation and inflammatory remarks will get you nowhere.

Gaile will NEVER respond to anyone's PMs.

i am not the one flaming,a nd I'm making this thread after a long time of waiting, countless threads of others in HA forum. Perhaps gaile should respond, i want to draw her attention.

Randomway Ftw · Nov 15, 2006, 07:41 PM // 19:41

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And HA does not equal PvP. It is one of the components of GW PvP - and kind of low level in most hardcore GvGers opinion.

This is what it should say. I think the idea that HA is supposedly 'low level' comes from GvGers who have don't ever HA who go into HA and expect to pwn because GvG is 1337er, but instead get destroyed by IWAY or OGSPIKE over and over again. (This was true in 8v8, now it isn't, The vast majority of teams in HA now are now free fame, there is a lack of competition in HA now.)

This true for some guilds, but not for all, many guilds excel at both GvG and HA.

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Every PvP player I know loves the NF changes.
6v6 HA is the best thing to happen to HA.

This is pure and total BS.

Rera · Nov 15, 2006, 07:48 PM // 19:48

Searing Flames is not the problem. Get over it already.

The problem is that heroway is allowed at all. And it isn't a problem of heroway being difficult to beat - it isn't. Any good guild team considers heroway free fame. The problem is that people play PvP for a PvP experience - not to fight bots. It's like going to the arcade to play against real people and then playing the CPU instead. If I wanted to do that I could have just stayed home. Several good HA guilds have moved on to GvG (ie. 'real PvP') because HA is a completely lost cause at this point.

Getting more people to participate is counter-productive if they're doing it by bringing heroes instead of making real teams. It doesn't actually teach anybody anything, and it's just frustrating/amusing for the players who actually know what they're doing. A noob with SF ele heroes is still a noob, and they will still get rolled in 15 seconds by good teams.

I can't believe people are still bringing up rank elitism. Rank elitism exists for a reason. A lot of people who HA have no business being in good teams. High rank doesn't guarantee high skill by any means, but it's a reasonable indicator of experience. If you had no rank system, PuGing HA would be pretty much impossible because it would be too difficult to put together a decent team. At least with the current system you still have some chance. Do you honestly believe that someone who has HA'd for a week should be allowed on teams with members who have HA'd for a year? Not bloody likely.

hyro yamaguchi · Nov 15, 2006, 07:51 PM // 19:51

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Originally Posted by Alleji

Grats hiro, you made another useless thread to complain about Searing Flames and rank elitism.

This si in fact my first complaining thread. Perhaps you are reffering to my thread in Sardeliac? That was a solution, not a complaint, anyway my name is still Hyro, and i wonder if this thread is useless, people complaining about the looks of black dye seem to get attention, so why not me? Why not the majority of the HA community present on these forums?

Anyway, yes 6v6 had a reason, getting groups more easy. Okay, I didn't like it: 8v8 was harder and more diverse (oh yes flame em, but it was more diverse than 90% searing flames and 10% others), but I am willing to make offers because it helps people who don't play HA all the time.

What i am not willing to accept is that 6v6 togehter with heroes has ruïned HA: people can get teams easy....if they play with heroes, PUG'ing has become 100% ranked, usually not even r3+ anymore, but r5/6+, GG for helping people get parties more easy Anet. Oh and then there is the question of searing flames, if 90% of the people is using it for farming purposes, I would say it needs a nerf more bad than Iway did.